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procon
Joined: 26 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 15:18 Post subject: Invert in the new core
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How can I do Invert in the new core?
Thanks.
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Vladus

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 15:33 Post subject:
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It's included in Layout. Inside new core Mix Editor doesn't have that option. Go to core 5
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procon
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 23:01 Post subject:
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Why on earth is such a simple but important step not supported?
I cannot go to v5 since the necessary assembler does not work there
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jeremyb

Joined: 09 Dec 2008
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Location: RecoverMyFlashDrive.com Bridgeport, CT, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 23:31 Post subject:
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I assume your using custom layout? Perhaps custom layout can have option to invert data.
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Сергей

Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:30 Post subject:
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procon, please explain what exactly you need
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procon
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:48 Post subject:
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The Invert step in the new core
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Сергей

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:52 Post subject:
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It will not be added
Cause invert is included in layout itself
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procon
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:06 Post subject:
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The possibility to adjust many parameters, mix the use of FE and e.g. WH (=save the image in the middle and continue the work in other software) etc. used to be some of the major advantages of FE. Closing everything and making users dependant on the author's prefabricated solutions might kill the whole FE project soon
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Сергей

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:25 Post subject:
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I understand that learning new tools is always difficult, cause we known good how works old tools, and know nothing about new tools. But flash recovery devices become more and more complex. In most cases there is not only invert, but many complex steps and options. Now cases cant be more solved with few simple steps.
Sorry that we change interface so much
But we cant more work with old one
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procon
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:58 Post subject:
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The problem is not in the interface. One example above all:
I need to use ECC for this case. I recovered all data in v5, just without ECC since it is not supported in the old core. As per your advice I bought the license for this model for v6. But then I found out that:
1 - It uses a different SA layout so I cannot use it.
2 - Even if you add it as a new model, it will delay the case.
3 - Even if you add it as a new model, it is likely it will not handle updates which I was able to do in the old core manually.
BTW This is not the first case somebody is asking you to re-enable the ability to save the dump whenever during the process, i.e. after applying Layout but before running the Assembler.
| Сергей wrote: | | But flash recovery devices become more and more complex. In most cases there is not only invert, but many complex steps and options. Now cases cant be more solved with few simple steps. |
This is exactly why disabling options and features is not the way to go
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Сергей

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:11 Post subject:
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I dont understand how Invert option can help you in this case
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procon
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:26 Post subject:
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Not in this case. The story above was meant to show how limited (even unusable in the particular case) the new core is compared to the old one.
Once again, the problem is neither in just the lack of Invert nor in the interface. I believe the example above summarizes it well.
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jeremyb

Joined: 09 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:55 Post subject:
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| procon wrote: |
BTW This is not the first case somebody is asking you to re-enable the ability to save the dump whenever during the process, i.e. after applying Layout but before running the Assembler. |
I have the same issue, v5 was much better if you must write your own code to finish a recovery or run into many custom cases not yet supported in v6.
In the end I wrote my own re-usable classes (Join by Byte, Invert, Block Pair, etc) which feed into my own assembler, which then saves a dump with the SA. I then use v6 to process the ECC and save the image using "Raw" assembler instead of Block Number.. I use this for drives not properly supported by FE (eg: SM325x which I see EVERY DAY)
Not ideal, but it works. In many cases 100% recovery is possible but FE can only get me to 90% (sometimes less). To get the rest I must research the drive and write my own custom/proper assembler.
Obviously this takes much time, realistically I don't expect Sergey to fully reverse engineer every controller on the market, in many cases a partial recovery will due, however if your like me and strive for 100% recoveries its not fun.
From a license standpoint, just buy a 1yr subscription, its easier than buying licenses one at a time. While it makes the cost of ownership lower in the end a subscription just makes more sense. Personally if I were Sergey I'd drop individual licenses.
Compared to other products on the market, FE is still better than anything else.
That said, v6 is much better than v5 for modern drives with complex mix/block number arrangements and streamlines ECC processing. Find Mix is much faster, the interface is much more intuitive, having a parsed SA makes understanding the mix a lot easier and helps in training. On one hand I don’t like it, on another I think it’s the best innovation I’ve seen yet. There are some things I'd like changed (eg: Save Dumps) but they're not enough to stop me from using the platform.
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Vladus

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:30 Post subject:
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I think this topic is subject to be discussed inside Chat section.
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